tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post4923761516888601101..comments2023-08-18T15:15:39.704+01:00Comments on Tenerife Dogs: Live Arico - Whats your point of view..?NewsHoundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02561007149938857929noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-25985460733751569662010-02-26T09:08:28.041+00:002010-02-26T09:08:28.041+00:00I am now closing the comments section for this pos...I am now closing the comments section for this post, thanks to everybody for their contributions..<br /><br />Some good points have been raised.Nikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02317073653621775706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-76482799028474070692010-02-25T23:26:17.948+00:002010-02-25T23:26:17.948+00:00To Alison - above
Unfortunately most of what you ...To Alison - above<br /><br />Unfortunately most of what you suggested has been done - or has been claimed to have been done.<br /><br /> *************************************************************<br /><br />Its very sad, I think the emphasis needs to be removed from the "main man" and put back on the dogs as, ultimately, it is not him we are trying to please, it is the poor animals who need us.<br /><br />Perhaps those committee members and volunteers who are chosing to turn a blind eye to the suffering should face it head on and do something constructive to help things as opposed to plodding on,*******************************************************(concerned)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-36564297171706976332010-02-25T20:00:30.031+00:002010-02-25T20:00:30.031+00:00Firstly this situation is awful for the dogs, seco...Firstly this situation is awful for the dogs, secondly Eugenio's intentions should be commended (there are many animal lovers who hate to see the suffering and abandonment yet do nothing) and lastly the passion that everyone here has should be focussed on helping these animals to resolve this issue.<br /><br />I would suggest the following plan of action:<br />1. Try to find homes, whether this is foster or permanent homes for as many of the dogs throughout Europe. Even make use of the Swallow community who are on the island for 6 months at a time-my parents love dogs but as they travel feel they can't have their own, but could provide a good home to one for 6 months at a time.<br />2. Set up a foundation and commence fundraising activities.<br />3. Contact local builders, who are quiet and ask them to devote their time to rebuilding the existing land to make the amenitites a safer and more confortable place for the dogs. Whilst new land may be an answer, in the meantime you need to work with what you have, and if all the other dog homes are full this resource won't go to waste.<br />4. Contact local building supply companies and ask for their help through donations of material.<br />5. Create a project team to recruit volunteers to do what they can - whether it's building work, feeding the dogs, fundraising etc...<br />6. Contact airlines to ask if they can raise the profile with their passengers, collect funds or even help fly the dogs to new homes around Europe. You would require to be a registered charity for them to collect funds.<br />7. Raise the profile of the plight of these dogs through fundraising everywhere.<br />8. Contact other animal welfare organisations such as the RSPCA and SSPCA to see what assistance/advice they can offer.<br /><br />Whilst all this will take lots of effort and passion, and funds I am sure you are all capable of devoting the time to ensure the environment these dogs is improved. All it needs is planning, organisation and the passion to move it forward.<br /><br />If I can help in anyway (from the UK) I will.Alisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-65978191580469234612010-02-25T14:30:55.185+00:002010-02-25T14:30:55.185+00:00Please note that Tenerife dogs is not able to publ...Please note that Tenerife dogs is not able to publish anonymous posts that accuse specific individuals.<br /><br />Points of views can be written in such a way as not to be personal.Nikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02317073653621775706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-23465772028719319092010-02-24T13:38:44.566+00:002010-02-24T13:38:44.566+00:00When people responsible for the welfare of animals...When people responsible for the welfare of animals resort to intimidation of people who challenge their practices, one wonders whether they are best suited for their responsibilities,and or what is their real motive for being involved?<br />If we cannot treat each other with respect,how can appropriate standards for the animals be achieved?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-17812417137587885162010-02-23T16:52:04.243+00:002010-02-23T16:52:04.243+00:00In an ideal world, no dog would ever need to be eu...In an ideal world, no dog would ever need to be euthanised - but ... El Refugio (Madrid) announced this week that there were 500,000 abandoned dogs in just 5 years in Spain, so we are far from the ideal.<br /><br />Sadly all the refuges on the island are full (overfull in fact) and adoptions are few - often because many of the refuges are in isolated places far from the public eye (blame the planning laws for that).<br /><br />We can reduce the numbers in the future by sterilisation - a major campaign is needed and money to fund it - in an ideal world we would have a system like Dallas, Texas where you need a permit to have an "intact" dog<br /><br />But we are here today in Tenerife ... overrun by abandoned dogs and very little money to care for them - sadly, love is not enoughDoreennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-7596214318444731162010-02-23T16:27:49.220+00:002010-02-23T16:27:49.220+00:00I would just like to point out that comments or op...I would just like to point out that comments or opinions expressed on this blog by respective contributors and posters do not necessarily reflect the views of Tenerife dogs.Nikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02317073653621775706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-90983064772334528062010-02-23T15:46:34.070+00:002010-02-23T15:46:34.070+00:00I've worked at the now demolished Punta Brava ...I've worked at the now demolished Punta Brava shelter in Puerto de la Cruz. I've visited Eugenio a couple of times and I don't think he is able to leave a dog on the streets.<br /> Dogs are still being used in hidden dogfights, pets get stolen from their gardens and found back later thrown in a barranco torn to pieces.<br /> Walheidel Rachinger's shelter in Icod got shut down and she wasn't even allowed to feed or water her dogs.<br /> Tenerife gets so much revenue from Tourism and prefers to turn a blind eye.<br /><br /> Why isn't there a petition (or is there one), that puts the pressure on, f.i. all the tourist can be given a flyer when they are at their pub.<br /><br /> And also, a lot of expats, all nationalities leave their pets behind when going back to their country, a teacher of Trinity's School in Los Realejos left her English Bulldog (10 years old) behind when she went back to the U.K. A shining example of the attitude of unfortunately too many, and the Canarian people say you can do it, so can we.<br /><br /> Hi Nikki, just trying to help. Will write to you on FB.<br /> Hugs<br /> Hilke<br /><br /> February 23, 2010 3:35 PMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-90763842292122284842010-02-23T15:36:00.007+00:002010-02-23T15:36:00.007+00:00There is absolutely no reason to euthanize any dog...There is absolutely no reason to euthanize any dog.<br />Rehome them all. Create a system that enables animals to be rehomed, not only within the island but nationwide and internationally.<br />Please excuse my sincerity but Eugenio seems to me like an extreme case of animal lover who lost his way and has become a hoarder. Those animals need rescue and they need rescue now.<br />Spain is a large country, over 30.000 people. Focus on rehoming both on the island and on the rest of Spain and Europe and Spay and Neuter on the island.<br />And before anybody tells me I dont know the realities of Spain let me tell you I do. I am born in Barcelona.<br /><br />Viktor Larkhill<br />Let's Adopt<br /><br />blog.myletsadopt.com<br />viktor@myletsadopt.com<br /><br />You can find more about us on Wikipedia..Viktor Larkhillhttp://blog.myletsadopt.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-38932318520536719832010-02-22T09:53:22.526+00:002010-02-22T09:53:22.526+00:00I think people on the committee and certain volunt...I think people on the committee and certain volunteers care more about **** plight than the plight of the dogs, how can they stand by and see how those dogs are treated and live, then call themselves animal lovers. Come on committee members open your eyes and please please help those poor dogs !!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-38420746788820323592010-02-19T17:14:34.829+00:002010-02-19T17:14:34.829+00:00Poor Hygiene (basically living on top of their own...Poor Hygiene (basically living on top of their own faeces), over-crowding, Mating and producing new life, Fights on a daily basis, around half the dogs go un-fed due to stronger dogs attacking them, dangerous dogs being kept alive for years on end - and for what, and a man who - while his heart MAY be in the right place, or may once have been, has NO idea how to look after these animals and, sadly, on occasion has turned to force to deal with them.<br /><br />It is a very sad state of affairs but I think that the real problem here is the man running this place.<br />Stop taking in more dogs, look after the ones you have - and the ones who are dotted around the island with various people storing them for him.<br /><br />Castrate, Euthanise the ones who need it (and believe me there are many - it is heartbreaking!), and get a proper routine where ALL dogs can eat, the place is kept clean and the dogs are SEPARATED!!<br /><br />New land will only bring more trouble. More space - more dogs. And is Fasnia really an ideal location (having looked it up on the map it is only a stones throw from what is classed by many as "The North".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-44099775589150046202010-02-19T09:03:06.915+00:002010-02-19T09:03:06.915+00:00To the poster above...
Good points being made. So...To the poster above...<br /><br />Good points being made. Some of the other rescue shelters in Tenerife send their dogs to the Vet to be castrated/sterilised when a new owner has been found. Seems to be a good policy, to absolutely ensure that at least no more puppies are produced from the rescue dog and not anymore strays will be left on the streets.<br /><br />Not sure if Live Arico do this..?Nikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02317073653621775706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-58907707540064629402010-02-19T00:05:17.387+00:002010-02-19T00:05:17.387+00:00Surely more emphasis should be made on castration ...Surely more emphasis should be made on castration and sterilisation to reduce the numbers of stray and abandoned animals. If puppies are being born inside the refuge then its just making matters worse than it already is. Surely better management practices should be in place. The root of the problems need to be targeted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-50662809203994581392010-02-18T20:01:11.379+00:002010-02-18T20:01:11.379+00:00Hi Larisa,
That seems like a good plan asking oth...Hi Larisa,<br /><br />That seems like a good plan asking other refuges if there is space until Land is found. But unfortunately the rescue shelters I know of are all full at the present.<br /> Asking people if they could take on a dog to foster until the land is found is a good idea and something that should be pursued. But as a lot of other people have said maybe not taking on even more stray dogs would help.Nikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02317073653621775706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-89582235319364960112010-02-18T13:42:56.489+00:002010-02-18T13:42:56.489+00:00As an idea, before we sentence the dogs to death, ...As an idea, before we sentence the dogs to death, maybe we can try to help. For example:<br />- we can take some doggies home to adopt or to foster untill new refuge is ready (if I´m not mistaken Live Arico are trying to get some land and build a new refuge.If there will be 50 of us and each takes one dog there will be 50 dogs less in Live Arico;<br />- we can contact other refuges with better facilities, if there is any space and allocate some dogs in there as it happened with Dingo dogs.Larisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-4731352056730423592010-02-16T13:24:41.983+00:002010-02-16T13:24:41.983+00:00Larissa,
As I said above, you cannot save every ...Larissa, <br /><br />As I said above, you cannot save every dog, If you remove the emotions what have you got, lots of very unhappy, unsafe dogs. How would you feel if a dog that was kennel stressed got rehomed and killed a child (and it does happen). Dogs are creatures not humans. In nature it is survival of the fittest, animals die, often horribly. Euthansia offers this solution in a more relaistic way. I by all means do NOT advocate euthansia for all dogs but if a dog is unhappy in kenenls and scared of its own shadow, unable to be rehomed - ever - what life is that, is that dog healthy, really? Is it a life you would like your dog lead? <br /><br />Please everyone remove your emotions its not about you or your beliefs - its about the dogs welfare. THEY should come first and if a small euthansia project allows money to be freed to neuter and vaccinate teh remainder then a better welfare job has been done than one in which interbreeding and sickness prevails.Digital Lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01101059664164428972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-39438248360409747992010-02-16T10:17:18.478+00:002010-02-16T10:17:18.478+00:00Hi Larisa,
You make a genuine point by saying wha...Hi Larisa,<br /><br />You make a genuine point by saying what would happen to the dogs if LA were closed down, but then spoil it by becoming personal.<br /><br />I have had to remove the name as I have said before. Please if you would like to comment do not make it personal. This discussion is about the well being of the dogs and not a place to make insults about individual people.Nikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02317073653621775706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-73817089010496983292010-02-16T09:33:35.529+00:002010-02-16T09:33:35.529+00:00Great idea, lets kill the dogs from Live Arico. Ho...Great idea, lets kill the dogs from Live Arico. How many 100, 150. well..... how many they have? about 230 dogs? Lets kill them all and shut Live Arico and the problem is resolved. Now the question is "who is going to kill all the dogs and how???" Let me think...... I offer **** as a candidate to go to Live Arico and kill all the dogs. Then we can go and kill some dogs from K9 or maybe all of them and Phil fron Dingo dogs he still has got some doggies.... Oh, there is lots to do on this island. Then what about people, there are lots of people who suffer in this world, we should help them as well maybe?Larisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-51255645148103496842010-02-15T18:08:10.180+00:002010-02-15T18:08:10.180+00:00( This post is a continuation from the previous p...( This post is a continuation from the previous post )<br /><br />There has been an on going debate with Live Arico, both in private and online, where their current severely overcrowded situation has been criticised and changes have been suggested. I believe people would be less critical and more supportive of Live Arico if it were obvious that some changes were being made NOW rather than being told it will all be okay when there is New Land. If not enough Volunteers are coming forward to help (or are not staying on once they have expressed criticism and been unheard) and management structures are not in place now, why will a change of location solve everything ?<br /><br />I ask Live Arico to tell us, what in the last few months has actually changed, apart from a sign-in sheet that might in fact mean some Volunteers are turned away:<br /><br />- has the food supply been moved to rat resistant shelters/holders (cleaned oil barrels with lids have been suggested)<br /><br />- are records being kept of each dog's requirements and has a system for individual feeding been introduced. <br /><br />- do they have enough individual feeding bowls and are they hygenically cleaned after each use and are water bowls frequently changed<br /><br />- has a systematic cleaning policy for the Stables been introduced and followed up on, along with maintenance of the drains so they do not block<br /><br />- is each dog of the 230 (or more) guaranteed a daily walk<br /><br />- has an attempt been made to separate out dangerous dogs<br /><br />- what attempts have been made to separate unneutered dogs (60% of the LA population) - especially bitches when in heat<br /><br />- as there appears to be insufficient funds, how will they decide which dogs to treat against worms & fleas each month<br /><br />And if the answer to any of the above, is No, we do not have the Volunteers or Resources available to make such changes, then do they still believe it morally justifiable to take in yet more dogs (even going to other pounds to rescue dogs that would otherwise have been legally destroyed under Canarian Law on Animal Welfare)Doreennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-4297563930019943192010-02-15T17:59:27.413+00:002010-02-15T17:59:27.413+00:00As a previous poster has said in an excellent cont...As a previous poster has said in an excellent contribution - you cannot save every dog. I believe one has a responsibility to match actions to one's resources - the Dogs Trust, whose ethos is quoted and affirmed by Live Arico, almost as a justification of their own stance, had an income of 51.4 million pounds in 2008 and 434 staff; they cared for 16,238 dogs rehoming 14,169 of them and in their Sanctuary they allow 25 "unhomeable" dogs live out their lives: in their current Valentine's Appeal they announce they have 1,600 dogs now in their shelters. With this impressive income and their 17 Shelters, it is easy to live by an ethos that never puts a healthy dog to sleep.<br /><br />Live Arico admit they are overcrowded but saying they will not put a single dog to sleep means they are not dealing with the problem and are in fact creating far more "unhomeable" dogs than the 25 in the Dogs Trust Sanctuary. How to deal with the current problem, if too few new homes are available (either in Tenerife or Germany) for the dogs not already traumatised by the current conditions - to me, and to many writing here, the only answer seems to be to reduce the numbers by euthanasia, as we know all other shelters on the island are filling up, if not already full, in these days of Crisis. I have quoted elsewhere an excellent comment on euthanasia by an American Shelter, who have done the maths on the number of abandoned dogs, versus shelter places and new homes available - it is worth quoting more extensively this time:<br /><br />Euthanasia is unquestionably the hardest part of our job. We wish, more than anything else, that we could in good conscience become a no-kill shelter.<br />The math is unalterable: if we take in 6,758 stray or abandoned animals each year, and we’re able to find homes for only 1,484 of these animals, that means that 5,274 animals have nowhere to go. We believe that given the circumstances, a painless death is the best choice among a limited set of awful choices.<br /><br />Many no-kill (or limited admission) shelters sharply limit the number and type of animals they will take. If they’re near capacity, they’ll refuse to take in additional animals, forcing the owners to find another place for the animal. Many no-kill shelters will never accept animals that will be difficult to adopt, such as older or injured animals. Owners often report to us that they’ve brought us animals only after being refused by one or more no-kill shelters. Other no-kill shelters may house animals for years in small cages, often causing animals to go literally insane. We do not believe this is a preferable, or even realistic, alternative to euthanasia.<br /><br />There’s nothing wrong with no-kill shelters or rescues, as long as they’re honest about their limitations — especially the limited number of animals they’re able to help. However, until we end the pet overpopulation problem in our community, a full-service shelter that performs euthanasia is a tragic necessity. We understand why people get angry over euthanasia; the situation makes us furious, and it saddens us that we must euthanize so many wonderful animals each year. We believe that this frustration is properly directed at the source of the problem: pet owners who abandon their animals or who do not sterilize their animals. (Animal Protection Society of Durham, NC)<br /><br />Note that, in the main, shelters who do not destroy dogs also practice a limit on the numbers they take in which Live Arico do not do. I do acknowledge that the Live Arico vision is not to put dogs in "cages", and that is a whole other conundrum: kennels versus packs.Doreennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-20345601372421329812010-02-15T17:20:34.525+00:002010-02-15T17:20:34.525+00:00Surely the dogs already in the refuge should be pr...Surely the dogs already in the refuge should be priority, land is just a pipe dream, short of a lottery win or very large donation !! If Eugenio gets land he will just collect more and more dogs like he did in Arico, 450 then before he was closed down,more dogs kept in bad conditions !! I think all at LA should take a reality check . I think sterilisation and castration should be given more priority to reduce numbers of dogs bred. Ive also been told that many puppies are born in LA which is only making a bad situation worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-47210725068264262272010-02-15T14:54:27.962+00:002010-02-15T14:54:27.962+00:00In itself overcrowding leads to many problems in h...In itself overcrowding leads to many problems in health and hygiene whatever species is concerned. Nature has its own way of taking care of an over burdened population but that of course, is what the animal shelters are trying to avoid. <br /><br />Sadly, hard as they try, the people at the animal shelters in Tenerife (and not only LA) are pushing water uphill until the governemnt gets off its backside and puts some effort into helping these refuges help the animals in their care.Juliehttp://www.tenerife-tattle.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-30534263679207369752010-02-15T10:12:30.136+00:002010-02-15T10:12:30.136+00:00When you walk down a street and see a stray the he...When you walk down a street and see a stray the heart strings get tugged and the natural instinct to help that dog takes over. <br /><br />But we are just human we can’t save every dog we see. <br /><br />The gut instinct will be to start a rehoming centre to save all the strays in your area, but this isn’t always the best option. <br /><br />Before you start your rehoming centre you need to discover why the problem exists and what other options are available to you first. <br /><br />Can any dogs be fostered by friends or other existing organisations? Can you invest in an existing organisation and help them expand rather than set up on your own? Is there already a TNR (trap neuter release), in your area to control the strays, remember some dogs are actually more used to the street life and will not do well in a home or confined space. <br /><br />Are dogs treated as pets in your country – often dogs are not seen as pets in the same way we do they will live outside, they will roam and they will have ‘jobs’ this doesn’t meant they aren’t happy. But it also means a rehoming centre here will be futile as you wont be able to rehome your dogs. <br /><br />If you do start your rehoming centre remember to be realistic - again you can’t save every dog. What is your budget, running and capital costs. Realistically how many dogs can you care for. Do you have enough staff to ensure cleaning of the kennels and adequate exercise for all the dogs – every day.<br /><br />The dogs’ welfare should be paramount – not your own feelings, you need to take a step away from the emotion and look at the situation with real eyes. Are your dogs happy? Are they living in ideal conditions, can you afford to feed, vaccinate and neuter them? You will need to make the decision to destroy some of your dogs however ‘cruel’ you may think it is.<br /><br />For more details on Humane Animal control please see below.<br /><br /><br />http://www.wsava.org/PDF/2008/Misc/AWC_ICAM_Coalition.pdfDigital Lifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01101059664164428972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-9741294642030027192010-02-15T10:06:47.777+00:002010-02-15T10:06:47.777+00:00I agree with the last poster, Quote....
" I ...I agree with the last poster, Quote....<br /><br />" I hope above hope that this land comes through very soon. Please please Eugenio don't take any more strays into your refuge before then". <br /><br />Until Live Arico stop taking in more stray dogs the overcrowding is not going to improve and therefore the well being of the dogs is going to suffer.Nikkihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02317073653621775706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5480989551258532924.post-2959231985923439242010-02-14T20:12:09.604+00:002010-02-14T20:12:09.604+00:00As someone who has been to the shelter, & met ...As someone who has been to the shelter, & met the dogs. I have to say my first thoughts were -how heartbreaking. Overcrowding, no proper kennels, lots of noise, dogs with behavioral problems, close to timid pathetic little scraps. A virtual shanty town for both animals & the people who live with them & look after them. However i saw past all of that, as i was privileged to see some of them, on their walk, happy, playful,loving, showing normal characteristics.<br /> I saw the way they responded to human touch & words, most of them followed commands as they ran or trotted next to us. They have given humans a second chance! We should do the same for them.<br />It is easier to turn away, & I have heard people say ' oh i cant bear to go down there & see their plight, its too upsetting.!!!<br />So is any disaster area upsetting to those looking in. Like Haiti, the folks there suffered for too long without proper help & assistance from the rest of the world. It took an earthquake to alert most of us.<br />Lets not just talk about 'Live Arico '- lets get stuck in & help Eugenio give those poor dogs a better life. <br />Could you pick which of the dogs should face Euthansia - i certainly could not - unless they were too ill & suffering. Then i would hold them whilst the vet put them to sleep. ( as i have done with my own dogs) That I believe is humane.<br />If a dog is turning on its own pack mates also i believe that would be another reason for a vet to humanely decide. I hope above hope that this land comes through very soon. <br />Please please Eugenio don't take any more strays into your refuge before then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com